The Doctor gives the other a beam, "The thing is - you never gave me your name. What am I to call you? Mystery man?" The Doctor teases, "Where I come from is Earth, and the main thing about that Earth is magic doesn't exist. Everything that magic can do can be done with some sort of technology."
He hadn't realized that this might be something he hadn't said yet.
"It differs from world to world. Dimension, probably a more palatable word to use. I came last from an Earth that also did not have magic save what had been brought from other places."
"Dimension or universe would be better. World to world wouldn't make sense, a universe has certain laws for everything. Like here for instance here, we can assume that on another world here the physics would be the same. That's interesting where was the magic coming from, what dimension? And how was it leaking into your Earth? I'm going to say thar was some sort of Space Rift caused by some event."
Matter-of-fact. There was only magic in Storybrooke (and in small pockets elsewhere) at first because a few people had brought magical objects. Tangible pieces. Magic was only fully restored within the bounds of its borders because Gold had been smart enough to bottle its essence and smuggle it over.
"By whom?" There's concern on The Doctor's face because that means there's a dimension hopper, which means they're cutting though The Void and going though The Void to get to that universe. In other words; holes and he doesn't like his in-between space filled with holes.
"That has both a simple answer and a complicated one." Jumpers pretty much an accepted thing, Doctor. And that's before anyone gets into the logistics of what the Dark Curse does. Or magic beans, for that matter.
"Believe me - I can understand the science and math behind opening a wormhole at a subatomic level and also enlarging that said wormhole in order to cross between dimensions and The Void, the in-between space."
"Portals. We generally don't get more complicated than that. Doors, often literal, more common if you're talking about going by way of a jumper that you either found or happen to have on your payroll." The kettle whistles its readiness, and Gold takes it off the heat, preparing two cups and setting his new mixture to steep. "And sometimes a curse -- that's usually the only thing strong enough to bridge into a world without magic; your common paths will usually lead to other worlds with magic only."
"I know what portals are." The Doctor listens and finds what is stated very interesting. "And that's how you got to a world without magic? Someone gave you a curse. I'm sorry, so,so, sorry."
"Fated? Yeah sorry. Don't believe in that sort of thing. But good to know you didn't end up on an Earth without magic. So - you ended up in another one with magic. Which I would assume wasn't too much of a problem for you?"
"Your belief or lack thereof changes very little. You see the path you are on plainly -- or as plainly as you allowed to see it. You follow it." A frown. "Sorry, are you referring to where I am right now, or are you confused about what I just said?"
"We differ in that respect. I was able to see just one line, where it led to, what would build it up. Who would play a role."
He's realizing he never really tried to see any other prophecy once he had the one. Did it even work that way? At the time, would he have cared?
He took it to find his son. Why would he look elsewhere?
"Crossing to worlds with magic was something I had a good deal of experience in already. Jumpers, like I said. Pays to know at least one. But once beans went extinct, only an especially powerful curse would open the way to a World Without Magic."
"Beans? You mean like magic beans? Blimey, I hope you weren't Jack and sold them for a cow. But that would be the human version of that fairy tale. My people's versions involved portals much like you're telling me here about. One's from beans that make portals. And did you ever cross over with a curse?"
"Everyone is a story somewhere. I, however, am no Jack and that story in my world ended with...well, fewer riches and more genocide. So there you go."
Such a chipper subject to serve tea to. He also rose to fetch the most recent plate of sweets he'd baked. When he did his last acorn loaf, there'd been more dough leftover than he had planned for. Better to make use of it.
"Yes. The Dark Curse was enacted by one particularly angry soul, who stole everyone that had ever crossed her away into a world where their happy ever afters would be lost and forgotten. I came along for the ride."
The Doctor is deeply silent, because the word genocide makes his stomach twist. There's a silent look of that they're not too different in some ways.
"I hate it when the world ends like that." The Doctor remarks dryly, "I'm so, so, sorry for your loses."
"Really. Memory wiping too. All sorts of bad in these universes. But I assume that the memory wiping can't be permanent, surely if it could be resolved with science."
A short pause, "Is that what you do? Hop around between dimensions?"
"Have done; it is not exactly something I was looking to make a hobby out of. When I say that it takes a curse to get to a world without magic, I mean having tried to get my hands on other methods first."
He settles down before his cup.
"Memory alteration and loss tend to come in and out in various forms. The person enacting the curse made herself the ruler of her own little pocket of the world without magic, and she wrote not only her role in it but also that of every person trapped there. So when it was at last broken, many people suddenly had two sets of memories in their heads: The ones that had been stolen from them, and the lives that had been created for them. ...So yes. As I said before, I have some experience with pocket dimensions, of various forms."
"I'm not blaming you for what happened. If anything you should like a traveler, like me." The Doctor remarks simply, "If anything," His sounding stinged, "I'm tired of hearing about genocides."
Then loses himself inside of the tea cup.
"Quite. And where you part of the memory alteration pocket dimension?"
Sadly the older you get the more of them you become aware of. "...Yes. I knew that part would end eventually. The goal was to wake up and leave once the curse lifted. The spell made its borders dangerous for any of us to cross, you see. The danger didn't leave, however. Just...changed. Something of a troublesome setback."
"Worlds can in other ways too. Just like all of humanity one day leaves Earth for the stars." There's a twinkle or two in The Doctor's eyes, "They went on to inhabit other planets and mingle with other species."
On a more serious note; "How did the danger change?"
"Denizens of our little town, before, had little reason to try to leave. But misfortune would befall anyone who tried to leave."
Mister Gold was quite content to handle his business in town and utilize his connections and resources to have others handle matters outside of Storybrooke.
"After the curse fell, anyone of us that crossed the border would lose our memories and return to being our cursed selves again."
"Sounds like a trap pocket universe." The looks out the window, "I wonder what happens if we try to sail away on that ocean here. Would the same thing happen?"
Another sip, "And what about you. Are you here cursed or did you come when you were free?"
"Oh, it is well after the curse falling." He doesn't imagine he would be telling anyone about all this if he were still just his cursed self, after all. "Once it fell, and magic was restored at least within the confines of our little town, a good deal has happened since. It has become something like everyone's home, like it or not. The curse did a bit of a number on our world in our wake. We're all a little surprised there was anything left."
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He hadn't realized that this might be something he hadn't said yet.
"It differs from world to world. Dimension, probably a more palatable word to use. I came last from an Earth that also did not have magic save what had been brought from other places."
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Matter-of-fact. There was only magic in Storybrooke (and in small pockets elsewhere) at first because a few people had brought magical objects. Tangible pieces. Magic was only fully restored within the bounds of its borders because Gold had been smart enough to bottle its essence and smuggle it over.
Something only the Dark One could have managed.
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He's realizing he never really tried to see any other prophecy once he had the one. Did it even work that way? At the time, would he have cared?
He took it to find his son. Why would he look elsewhere?
"Crossing to worlds with magic was something I had a good deal of experience in already. Jumpers, like I said. Pays to know at least one. But once beans went extinct, only an especially powerful curse would open the way to a World Without Magic."
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Such a chipper subject to serve tea to. He also rose to fetch the most recent plate of sweets he'd baked. When he did his last acorn loaf, there'd been more dough leftover than he had planned for. Better to make use of it.
"Yes. The Dark Curse was enacted by one particularly angry soul, who stole everyone that had ever crossed her away into a world where their happy ever afters would be lost and forgotten. I came along for the ride."
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"I hate it when the world ends like that." The Doctor remarks dryly, "I'm so, so, sorry for your loses."
"Really. Memory wiping too. All sorts of bad in these universes. But I assume that the memory wiping can't be permanent, surely if it could be resolved with science."
A short pause, "Is that what you do? Hop around between dimensions?"
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He settles down before his cup.
"Memory alteration and loss tend to come in and out in various forms. The person enacting the curse made herself the ruler of her own little pocket of the world without magic, and she wrote not only her role in it but also that of every person trapped there. So when it was at last broken, many people suddenly had two sets of memories in their heads: The ones that had been stolen from them, and the lives that had been created for them. ...So yes. As I said before, I have some experience with pocket dimensions, of various forms."
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Then loses himself inside of the tea cup.
"Quite. And where you part of the memory alteration pocket dimension?"
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On a more serious note; "How did the danger change?"
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Mister Gold was quite content to handle his business in town and utilize his connections and resources to have others handle matters outside of Storybrooke.
"After the curse fell, anyone of us that crossed the border would lose our memories and return to being our cursed selves again."
And that was just the start.
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Another sip, "And what about you. Are you here cursed or did you come when you were free?"
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The Doctor rubs the underneath part of his chin and looks out the window, "Blimey, I miss my Tardis..."
"Right I suppose you want a bit about my Earth?"
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